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Megalomaniak

Only 524 subscribers, criminally underrated. Did I say 524, I meant 525...

cybereality

That's sick!!! How do I have more subs than that dude?!?!

Megalomaniak

I dunno, I was just googling for that casio synth "digital guitar" Dg-20

Nerdzmasterz

Megalomaniak I have a Quest 2. It's a pain, I'd rather have just about anything else. I only got it for development purposes, though I do play a little bit.

Kojack

Nerdzmasterz
Just don't get a WMR headset. The software is garbage.

I'd like to get a Pico 4 when those come out (seems to be going to release outside of China, they've applied to the FCC), they seem interesting.

Nerdzmasterz

Oculus Quest 2 isn't the berries, either. I would say I give it a 4 rating. Understand that everything below is just an opinion.

Oculus Quest 2 has a lack of great graphics, it apparently is only able to have small worlds to explore, and it has a very small battery, unless you buy the extra pack for it to make the game play last longer... and then, without the pack, it also bends your neck in weird ways so your head always hurts! Not ideal for long-term development. Still, it offers smooth game playing and is excellent for stationary shooter games, to small survival games with crafting, to escape rooms. Also, Green Hell VR and Myst VR is a whole other experience when you can make 360 degree turns with your body to make the player character move, and you can physically crouch to make the player character crouch. As a beginner dev in VR, I say it's just enough, although I hope I don't stay a beginner VR dev.

The other downside I've noticed is a lack of information on developing for this platform when I started, so I can't exactly recommend getting the bleeding edge technology right away if you don't know how to develop for VR in general.

Kojack

I would say the Quest 2 is the third best of the 10 VR headsets I own. Or the best of the wireless headsets (4 of my 10 are wireless).

I've been developing for Oculus headsets since 2013 and their documentation and sdks have been good. Unity VR support tends to suck in general (they keep changing it), but the C++ SDK docs have always been good.

For development use: Quest 2 has the advantage of not needing to be worn fully to use. For quick tests I just hold it to my face with my left hand and use one controller in my right hand. But the Rift CV1 can sit on my forehead between uses. The Rift-S is annoying for development because you have to keep tightening/loosening the knob at the back every time you want to wear it.

duane

Pixophir
Yes. It's easy to fix -- just use variants instead of class-typed variables -- but it's irritating to have to do that. And, of course, the error messages would be a huge snarl of useless if I didn't remember what I'd changed.

Kojack

I'd probably buy an Index, but they are still near impossible to buy in Australia (I still claim this is because they are throwing a tantrum because Aus forced Valve to offer game refunds and fined them $5million, so now they won't sell hardware to us directly). The only authorised supplier is EBGames, who have no stock and a large markup on the price.

Project Cambria should be getting closer. That's the pro alternative to the Quest 2. I'm interested in what it can do (beside colour pass through video and having cameras on the controllers instead of IR LEDs).

My new Tilt Five is probably the most interesting device I've got. It's not VR, it's AR using a retroreflective game board and dual micro projectors on the headset.
I haven't used it much though (got it last week, backed the kickstarter 3 years ago), the cable is VERY short and the game board is huge, my dev PC isn't situated in a good spot for that.

Nerdzmasterz

Oh my gosh. I just tried Green Hell VR that looks like the PC version instead of the Oculus version?

Mind. BLOWN. This is what VR was made for! I should've gotten a Rift!

Also, this is why I love VR development! I can't seem to build anything yet, period. If I ever get over that bump...

Kojack

Nerdzmasterz
Have you tried Link/Airlink?
That would let your Quest 2 run the Rift version via a PC.

The main disadvantage of the Rift is there are no spare parts. If your Rift CV1 or Rift-S controllers break, that's game over unless you can find some overpriced second hand ones on ebay.
Although I do prefer the Rifts for almost all VR use.
The Quest 2 with Airlink is pretty good (I've got a second 5GHz wifi network just for VR), but the headset isn't as comfortable for long play.

Another developer consideration: the Quest 2 is great for showing off games at events. No PC to set up, no cables for inexperienced players to get tangled in or people to trip over. The only down side for that is the battery life.

Also, this is why I love VR development! I can't seem to build anything yet, period. If I ever get over that bump...

Every couple of trimesters I'd update my Unity VR framework for my students. Every damn time it's a struggle to get everything working. Once it works, I'd zip it up and hand it out. But that initial bump is frustrating.

In comparison, making a working Tilt Five Unity project with head tracking and moving an object using the wand controller took a few minutes (without reading any docs) and worked first time. They don't use Unity XR at all, just drop a prefab in the scene and one line of code for the wand.
(Plus no accounts, no social media, no store, just a device and the bare minimum to use it)

duane

I can't believe anyone can make a living like this, but I guess some people manage it. (Then they cry about how rough it is.)

Audiobellum

duane If only I had to oppurtunity to "suffer" like that; I'd be in heaven.

cybereality

I'm kind of over VR at this point. I was really into it my whole life, but there is too much friction. You need to clear out a space in your room, strap on the headset, strap on the controllers, load the game (which might need an update or reconfiguration of your space), etc. etc. It's like 30 minutes before you are even playing a game and God forbid if your phone rings. It's just too much. And the stereo 3D on the Nvidia glasses were much better, and you could play AAA games. In VR you get these games that look like mobile ports from years ago, and the controls are strange, like with teleport and other jankiness that makes then not immersive. I mean, VR would be awesome if it actually worked, but it doesn't work right now.

That said, I still love VR, and I'm planning on integrating innovative aspects of the VR experience without using any VR hardware. I already got anaglyph 3D working in Godot on Decay, and honestly I think the 3D looks better than VR (it's just that the color reproduction is bad). I'm exploring ways to improve the color. And I think a lot can be done with a webcam, in terms of motion controls. There was this add-on for the PS2 called EyeToy and this game AntiGrav, which was a hoverboard racing game using only your body as the controller. It looks dated now, but at the time is was amazing. Honestly had more fun with that game than VR.

Nerdzmasterz

@cybereality , Here's Green Hell VR. It plays very well, actually. And those graphics really show the potential. This is possibly running on a Rift, as this is either an Oculus Rift or Steam VR game, but I genuinely believe this is what our everyday games will look like in the future.

Obviously, you don't have to watch the whole thing, just watch the movement and such. It's quite impressive imo.

Nerdzmasterz

Kojack Absolutely! Link/Air Link is great, and is necessary for development, at least in Unity. But I can't even get a silly project in Godot sent to Oculus... save once, since I was following a Youtube video which I can't find anymore. 😠 I am itching like poison ivy to get back into things.

cybereality

Kojack Have you tried Link/Airlink?

I have a Quest 2 and all the equipment, but I only tested it a few times. My issue is that my main dev machine is running Ubuntu, so it's basically dead in the water in terms of Quest. I know there are ways to get the Index working on Linux, but even then the instructions were kind of complex and I don't have space for an Index (my room is really small). But I could try the Quest 2 on my Windows 11 machine, now that I moved it to the living room. I guess I just lost interest. I still want to play Half Life Alyx, but I don't know of any other VR games that look remotely decent.

Nerdzmasterz

cybereality Did you ever look into Oculus Rift games? Not all of them are compatible with Oculus Quest 2, but some are- and these games look better.

https://www.oculus.com/experiences/rift/

Kojack

cybereality
Alyx certainly looked great, although its VR interactions felt limited since I'd played Boneworks first. I mean, you can't even swap a gun between your two hands.

Saints and Sinners is probably one of the best overall VR games, graphics weren't as good as Alyx, but the interactions felt better, especially heavy weapons like axes.

Lone Echo 2 is great looking and has an interesting story.

cybereality

Yeah, I've played a bunch of VR games. I actually worked at Oculus for a long time, but I quit for various reasons I probably shouldn't mention. But I really loved VR for my whole life and I didn't like the direction the company went. That said, I've played some decent games. ARKTIKA.1 was really good, and I loved Arizona Sunshine. I just felt that most of the games the developers didn't know what VR actually was and they were kind of gimmicky with cheesy mobile graphics.

cybereality

Like look at this. I was making better 3D graphics in VRML back in the 1990's. They spent $10B in 2021 for this?!?!?

Bimbam

cybereality Like look at this. I was making better 3D graphics in VRML back in the 1990's. They spent $10B in 2021 for this?!?!?

I've seen this doing the rounds on Twitter and can only assume they are dealing with some seriously low hardware limitation ceiling. My guess is it's never allowed to even briefly dip below 72hz on a Quest 1, but even then I feel this should look better.

Maybe the 'openness' of the world could situationally lead to high vert counts? but I'm not seeing it in any of the media releases 🤷

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