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duane

Audiobellum I fear they'll become a time where they'll be people who think that games as live services was the way it has always been or that there is no alternative.

It occurs to me that for most of history there were two kinds of entertainment -- do-it-yourself (which you could enjoy any time) and professional, which usually meant you had to go somewhere and only had a limited time to enjoy it. The only differences I see now are that people got used to being able to capture entertainment electronically, and more people can rave about the same thing to each other, causing more fear of missing out. But just as there were always people willing to make their own music, there will always be people making games for cheap (even free) -- you just won't hear as much about them.

Personally, I worry more about the companies that will hold copyrights to games for the next thousand years, whether they continue to publish them or not. Every time anyone comes up with an idea for a game, the immediate response is, "That's a lot like X or Y." At some point, any new successful game will be sued for copyright violation.

fire7side

duane Those look and feel law suits are hard to prove and generally fail. As long as you flat out don't use a copied image of another game, or use a title, you are probably not going to get sued. Games all look alike to me anyway. You got jump games, shooters, puzzle games are more diverse, but there are a million clones and no one gets sued.

Nerdzmasterz

Wouldn't surprise me. Indies are a threat. What they have that we don't is loads of money to play with.

some_lame_kid

fire7side Imagine the clusterbomb of lawsuits you'd see in the shooter scene if it worked that way.

Megalomaniak

some_lame_kid
Crazy Taxi, anyone?

Nerdzmasterz

Now, back to marketing, there is a saying that works here:

"Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer."

What do I mean by that?

What I mean is, look at the forums of games that are similar to yours, but very popular. See what the fans have to say. I did this and think I found a gold mine! I think for this project, however, I'm switching to Unity as I already have sooo many assets on there, it's insane.

Ie: An open-world concept RPG in an apocalyptic world. Where do you go?

Most likely, a place like this:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/377160/discussions/

Audiobellum

Nerdzmasterz Maybe I should try my hand at making an open world action rpg but, I can't decide whether or not I want it to be apocalyptic or not. In an apocalyptic setting, you can justify the existence of guns while also justify the absence of a modern traffic system; so I guess it would be easier to make. Still, there is a lot that can be learned by trying to make something similar to Cyberpunk 2077 or an action rpg with a GTA-style open world. Of course, I don't even know where to start right now. I'd have to create some sort of director ai to control the spawning locations of cars; then they'll be the optimization issues. I'm terrible at optimization and that documentation doesn't seem to help. I've heard about using portal and rooms for Godot but, it seems confusing and I heard it's for more complicated games.

Audiobellum

Nerdzmasterz

Here is a tutorial on how to do something similar in Godot:

Fun Noober Code is so underrated, you should subscribe to him. Still, what I'm most concerned about is being able to make my own level editor for any game I'd create, so that players can make their own single player experiences; this is something I don't have any clue on how to do. I'd also want to be able to do more context sensitive animations in my game. For example, they're already Godot tutorials on how to make a character that can enter a vehicle yet there is no tutorials out their on how to make the animations for entering the vehicle. They're also no tutorials on how to do takedown animations or how to do a third person cover system. Of course, I'm not entitled; if these tutorials never get made, it is what it is and perhaps I'll just have to figure it out on my own. I'm just listening what I care about; they're also Unity tutorial out their on how to do takedown animations. Of course, I'm not going to use Unity. If I were to use Unity, that would make me "idiot" or so I've heard.

Also, I have my own plan on how I'll learn how to make take down animations in Godot; it will involve looking at the code of open source projects and trying to understand what's going on with them. I mean, they're other types of thing you can learn for that one skill, perhaps I could make a game where they're zombies that grab the player resident evil-style( I'm playing to start another project in Godot).

cybereality

I still plan to continue with the tutorial site, but I'll need to finish school first. I could definitely work on some stuff like that. I think it would be helpful.

Nerdzmasterz

@Audiobellum I would just play a game with similar qualities to generate ideas. I wanted to build a zombie type game once. What did I play? Dead Town.

Another thing that could inspire on what to make is music. I found these soundtracks for a game- and my mind went wild.

https://opengameart.org/content/post-apocalyptic-and-cyberpunk-melodies

fire7side

Megalomaniak Those were pretty old. I think they figured things out a little better since granting those patents. An arrow? That's pretty funny.

Nerdzmasterz

Hence why I am itching to figure out the legal trash in game deving...

Nerdzmasterz

This article helped me understand copyrights for games to an extent.

https://www.gamedesigning.org/gaming/copyright/

Kojack

Yeah, patents like the crazy taxi arrow are pretty dangerous.
Some more:

a ghost car that repeats your last lap (Atari, expired 2013)
using collision tiles in a platform game (Sega, expired 2012)
cross shaped dpad (Nintendo, expired 2004)
play a mini game on a loading screen (Bandai Namco, expired 2015)
mass effect dialog wheel (Electronic Arts, active until 2029)
calculation of attack power based on group density (Koei, expired 2021)
dynamically splitting the screen when new local players join an active game (Microsoft, active until 2024)
the ping system in Apex Legends (Electronic Arts, active until 2039)

At least patents only last about 20 years (in US law), compared to copyright's 70 years after author death or 95 years for joint work. Trademarks can go forever, as long as they remain in use and are renewed.

The ping one is special though, EA allow others to use it since it's an accessibility feature. They have it patented so no one else can patent it and restrict it.

Tomcat

Is there and is it even possible to patent games like The Sims?

Nerdzmasterz

You can patent artwork and parts of the code.

Tomcat

Well the question is, can one face patent claims (lawsuits) if one tries to make something resembling The Sims?

spacecloud

Tomcat
They have a patent on Modification of a Simulated Character by Direct Manipulation.

The only other one seems to be generating characters based on images of real people (but i can't find the text), so it should be fine as long as character creation uses sliders (or some other system) instead. _i _am _not _a _lawyer _though

Nerdzmasterz

I would say it's very possible. Their characters, the iconic plumbob....

Now what they cannot patent is core mechanics- ie life simulator, point and click, etc.

Tomcat

Nerdzmasterz Now what they cannot patent is core mechanics- ie life simulator, point and click, etc.

Yep, that's what we're talking about here.

Nerdzmasterz Their characters, the iconic plumbob....

This will all change, of course — there's no point in copying it.

Nerdzmasterz Ie I wanted to build a life simulator, but it has very different graphics- which the ones I'm not making are already paid for- and pre-bought animations, and different mechanics. Yes, the characters walk, run, chat, etc, but the game isn't a satire, point and click, or very casual. I'd say it's more along the lines of a strategy. How long can you keep your virtual family from starving/going into debt or being forced to live in the slums/survive the wilderness you sometimes get thrown into/dying out?

That's much closer to what I want to do. Yeah, it's not a parody… not really a parody.

But my approach to assets is very different in a very radical way.

Nerdzmasterz

Ie I wanted to build a life simulator, but it has very different graphics- which the ones I'm not making are already paid for- and pre-bought animations, and different mechanics. Yes, the characters walk, run, chat, etc, but the game isn't a satire, point and click, or very casual. I'd say it's more along the lines of a strategy. How long can you keep your virtual family from starving/going into debt or being forced to live in the slums/survive the wilderness you sometimes get thrown into/dying out?

Not to mention, the weird occurrences that throw a monkey wrench when they happen, but I won't spoil it. Suffice to say it's less kid-friendly, and has gore, albeit very minimal. No rabbit holes, no set of buttons to choose how well you do things, skills with absolutely no progress unless you as the player perform actions.

Very hardcore.

Nerdzmasterz

It's going to be made with Unity, only because I have a crap load of assets- but here's a little sneak peek of just the sky... when the game says it's morning.

Again, this sky is a pre-bought asset. I am trying to play things very safe.

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