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Visual scripting being removed / beta very close

Tomcat

cybereality Visual scripting is not easier than coding, it's actually harder.

It's not easier to coding — yep, but it's easier to change. @DaveTheCoder said exactly the right thing.

fire7side

cybereality Yeah, my experience with it is that it's harder, but that might be because I learned text script first. It always ends up looking like text script because you have drop down boxes with text choices. The trouble with it is it's so unsightly when it's done. It's so much easier to read text code. The visual scripting for the unreal engine seemed unsightly at first, but after I played with it for a while, I started to at least not hate it. I think I like it better than c++, but I wouldn't say I like it better than gdscript.

cybereality

Yeah, Blueprints is alright. Most people don't know how to use it, especially beginners have one large screen with like a million nodes and connections. But you can use events and functions and macros to make things clean. If visual scripting in Godot worked like Blueprints, that would be a different discussion. The problem is that it didn't work.

Jerstopholes

I'm not sad that visual scripting is being removed, but I am sad that it was implemented in such a way that it basically was completely useless to newcomers to game development, thus rendering its entire existence moot in the first place.

If the Godot developers could have made it more like Unreal's Blueprint system, I've no doubt it would have taken off and helped bring in a lot of new users. I'm hoping someone can develop a plugin that makes the system much more approachable and friendly like Blueprints. In my time with UE4 some time ago, I used Blueprints and C++ together and it made life a lot easier for several tasks, however the same couldn't really be said for visual scripting in Godot because as others have said, it was basically just GDScript in a visual form and thus pointless to use. Blueprint is NOT C++ in a visual form, and could actually be immensely useful and easier to use in several cases over C++. That's what I (and many others, it seems) was hoping visual scripting in Godot would be like, and not at all what was delivered.

cybereality

Yeah, I think it was good that it was removed. However, the reason for the removal was a mistake. I'm not sure if making the right choice for the wrong reasons is any better than making an incorrect choice.

Megalomaniak

If you have no developers for even just maintaining it then removing it is the right call.

Same way blender game engine got removed. Irony is that once it was threatened to be removed only then did some developers start to appear and now it's staying around as the UPBGE project. One can hope that VisualScript as an Extension might get some new wind under it's wings then too.

cybereality

Well, yes. That's why I say it was the right decision. But if you watch the video (or have seen Juan's tweets) the explanation for why people didn't use it totally missed the mark.

Megalomaniak

But that was the main reason they removed it, nobody willing to maintain it/take charge of it. Everything else is just further excuses for it.

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