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Pixophir

Pff. Can't happen to me :-)

Of course I ask myself who spends money in advance for a thing like a proprietary game engine, with all those ready engines, frameworks, APIs and what not around. There's a plethora of examples, some really good (hello Godot), in the open source repositories. I even have the feeling that open source engines like lumberyard/cryengine/amazon_open3d have difficulties getting a foot on the ground because of the let's call it saturation. Not sure what they did so special that others have not accomplished before, but when what Kojack says is true then, then others where at least unsure of that also ...

Let's focus forces on the engine before us, or not ? 😎

Btw., and following my usual agenda, but isn't that an invitation to be ripped off when people submit to an EULA, any EULA ?

cybereality

Yeah, I'm done with that BS. Not interested in technology I don't own or that isn't open source.

Nerdzmasterz

Idk... there are things that closed source game engines do better than open source. I think it mainly depends on what you want done, what is the budget, and when is the deadline.

Ie I would never use Unreal for a 2D top-down shooter, but I might be more partial to Unreal for a horror game with high-end graphics.

cybereality

I'm thinking in terms of long term investment. For example, if you use proprietary software, such as with Autodesk or Adobe, you need to pay every month, and it could be hundreds of dollars. Let's say you make some artwork, then get laid off and are unable to pay the license fee. Now you no longer can open any of your work. And if you need to open some of that work to export it for a portfolio (for example, to apply for a new job) you are screwed.

Nerdzmasterz

Yeah, that would be frustrating. I don't like subscribing to stuff, either.

Megalomaniak

cybereality Yeah, but godfall does more than just shadows via RT, no? I think the Tomb Raider game that featured RT does just shadows. So it might be a better example of what I mean. Another thing I'd want to experiment with there would be rendering those shadows to a quarter rez buffer and use upscaling just for the buffer.

cybereality

Megalomaniak I think the Tomb Raider game that featured RT does just shadows

Yes, the shadows on Tomb Raider are much better. If you are working on your own app, the 6600 XT will likely work, because it will be a controlled demonstration. The games that are out now really went balls to the wall, which makes for nice screenshots but not the smoothest gameplay. Even when I had a 2080 Ti (the best card available at that time) most of the RT games were super slow without resolution tricks like DLSS. I guess they had to do that to get people hyped for it, because otherwise no one would have cared, but it was a little disingenuous when you pay $1,200 for the best card available and still can't get 60 fps. The newer games have realized this, and AMD went more conservative, which is why Dirt 5 and Godfall (and a few others) perform normally and still look decent.

Pixophir

I wonder how to do RT when there's no spoon err mesh, or the mesh is just an ephemeral thing in the vertex shader and then gone.

Guess I'll have to find out ...

Megalomaniak

OK I went digging a little deeper and seems that godfall only does shadows but while it does use dxr for acceleration it's not what I'd call raytraced shadows(simply to avoid confusion), I'd call it screen space raycast shadows.

cybereality

Megalomaniak while it does use dxr for acceleration it's not what I'd call raytraced shadows

The only game that I know of that is fully path traced / ray traced is Quake II RTX. All the other games use tricks and optimization, because it's still not possible to run a AAA game with full RT at 60 fps.

Pixophir

But doing it in screen space avoids the resolution problems of cascaded shadow maps, right ?

Edit: well, that's cool. Guess I have potential solution for the terrain shadows. Just go ahead discussing things :-)

fire7side

Nerdzmasterz Is there a way to get real revenue from mobile games without slapping a bunch of ads or premium content on it...? Pardon my venting, but I have played multiple mobile games that have more ads than gameplay, or requiresgrind to get anywhere without paying. I even know a company by name which I avoid because their games are riddled with ads. There has got to be a better way to do this.

The puzzle games I play let you basically finish the puzzle before putting up some ads, after you watch an ad before you start. I've gotten good at turning them off at precisely the right time, so it's like 10 seconds to start playing and just turn it off at the end. That's mainly scrabble, free cell, jigsaw puzzle, flipping legends(not really a puzzle), couple more. Seems about right to me. I've never clicked on an ad except accidentally. It took me awhile to figure out some of their tricks, like putting up fake "x" for close that actually opens a web page. They post the real close a few seconds later in a different location. Part of the game in a way. You can generally just buy a no ads version for a reasonable cost but I'm cheap and used to turning them off at the right time. I think the revenue is pretty decent if you have a few games going. Some people just don't know when to quit. I would definitely try it and see. I haven't come up with anything yet to experiment with. Also, I don't really need the money so it kind of seems like a lot tax work.

Megalomaniak

cybereality The only game that I know of that is fully path traced / ray traced is Quake II RTX. All the other games use tricks and optimization, because it's still not possible to run a AAA game with full RT at 60 fps.

Minecraft RTX is also pathtraced afaik. But thats not what i meant anyways. I meant doing reflections or GI via just some/any form of raytracing. In Control I think it's reflections and GI(irradiance caching I think).

Nerdzmasterz

Oh my gosh. I was trolling on the Sims forum- it seems EA is ready to do away with it.

https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/comment/18162411#Comment_18162411

I mean who the heck will add mods to it now?

cybereality

No mods? What's the point of the game then?

Nerdzmasterz

cybereality No one will play it. My humble opinion: this is just another push for a new Sims game, which everyone is not looking forward to.

cybereality

The best graphics are on Metro Exodus. It looks almost totally real. However, even my 6800 XT can't run it. Most cards can't, even from Nvidia, unless you have the top one. Maybe they added FSR or AMD optimizations, it's been a while since I checked. But it looks really good.

Bimbam

cybereality

I was playing it on an RTX2060 with raytracing on (1080p with a mix of settings, but the compromise is worth it for such an atmospheric game), though from memory a few scenes would still tank down to 30fps. DLSS provides the magic here with like 2-3x+ fps compared to without it, so definitely Nvidia only atm.

4k I think you probably need RTX3070+ AND DLSS for 60fps+ raytracing

Edit: In fact this clip shows the difference where 4K ultra is ~ 70+ FPS on an RTX3090 till they turn off DLSS and it tanks hard to sub 30:

Pixophir

Almost photorealistic. A few years ago that was unthinkable.

Tomcat

The Sims was mentioned here… I have a question: why is there still no alternative to it? The community is outraged by their policies (up to and including a boycott), there are free engines and lots of mods, but no full-fledged game to replace it.

Nerdzmasterz

Tomcat Yes, at this point they have zero competition. I heard a blip about a game called Paralives, but it hasn't been released yet.

If you think you can do better, and I'm sure you totally can, build something. Just don't put any weird copyrights on the content as I still want to make a life sim. 🙂

But yeah, everyone there is outraged.

Erich_L

Tomcat Definitely stay in school and all that- but the sims- that’s pirate booty. The kind of booty you don’t retroactively pay for once you realize you like it.

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